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Shannon at Peter's Cross station takes a fascinating perspective on something I wrote about in a post a few days ago in Free Market Eugenics and then mentioned briefly in a Supper Talk. It was the latter, where it was... [Read More]

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Dawn

You know this is running up against where I'm realizing that had I known then what I know now that domestic infant adoption runs up against my boundaries for family building. Now I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with those feelings.

deb

Can't wait to read part two to see where you are headed with this very provocative post.
Thanks!

 Christina Shaver

Okay, if you want to talk ethics here, this is my take:

Before going off and trying to have biological kids whether via technology or old fashioned sex, I think we need to as a human race first take care of those children who don't have families or whose families cannot care for them at all.

I am saying this from the standpoint of a person who did have a biological child and I love him dearly. But my thinking has changed since he was conceived. IF we have another child (we're not hoping to at this point), I think we should again turn to adoption. (Our first is.)

Lisa

This issue stirs up a lot of different feelings in me. We are unusual in that we looked at our adoption options before looking at IF treatments. I wanted to adopt, but found out right off the bat that I would not qualify for international adoption due to disability, and domestic adoption was iffy at best. My best hope was, and still is, foster adoption of an older, special needs child. What I think is amusing, and this has happened to me in teaching also as well as other disabled people I know who've adopted, is that our best hope for adoption is a child who is undesirable to others for whatever reason, be it age, race, or disability. So, we are too disabled to raise the potentially easy children, but we are fine to raise the children with the most potential difficulties. (In teaching, I was too disabled to teach regular ed, but was fine to teach the most challenging special ed kids that no one else wanted...)

Judgements are made all the time about which parents deserve which children. And although I would love my kids no matter what, sometimes I want to take my blonde haired, blue-eyed, white healthy male biological child to some of these former adoption folks who told me I'd never be able to adopt and raise such a child and go, hey, look what I have that you said I could never have...ha! (Please know I'm not being serious there, it is more of a revengeful joke fantasy.)

My IF treatments were luckily not a lot (we did DIUI, not IVF), but I was bothered by the fact that our road ended there, at DIUI, whereas those that had more money could go on to IVF and other more complex treatment.

I have probably a whole posts worth of thoughts on this "it takes a village" business that we tout in this country with next to nothing to back it up. I like that concept of the opposite of poverty is community. I'll be looking forward to part 2.

M-j

Wow! This is some heavy stuff. I remember studying this in high school and college, and to be honest it has kinda slipped my mind lately. But recently I have begun thinking about bioethics again. Mostly because if I was able to choose these "genetically superior" babies then I might not have two children with Autism. I'd have perfect stepford children instead. How boring!
I guess what I am trying to say is this: SCARY! I am currently at odds with genetic research because I am beginning to realize that the more genetic research that is done, the more likely people are going to be able to select "healthier" aka "perfect" children. I hate to say it, but you get what you get! Deal with us! You think my life is a picnic? We are going down a dangerous path with designer babies, to be sure. I know that scientists mean well and think they are going to eradicate diseases, but what we are moving towards is wiping out parts of our species because of their differences. Remember the last time that happened?
Basically they are moving towards rich, white, blonde-haired-blue-eyed world domination. Sounds familiar?

regine

Can only say that I'm looking forward to the continuation of this very deep post.

kris

I'm speechless in the best of ways.

Anxiously awaiting Part II...
kris

PhoenixRising

My experience raising a child of color has led me to the conclusion that anyone who thinks their white-people-entrenched lives have no place for a child who isn't white is probably right, and should not be argued into it. Definitely should never be guilted into it, using the argument that it's wrong to create a perfect new life at the expense of offering a family to a child in need.

Whether reproductive technologies that allow parents more control than ever (before conception) should be retailed or regulated is a complex ethical question--and unrelated to adoption. That's as coherent as the argument, 'Choose adoption, not abortion', which makes my blood boil. (Though I share your concern for the adopted child who's being raised by someone who clearly does not agree with my opinion.)

I think that we're living in a time in which technical constraints are being lifted off our biological lives with such rapidity that we're not questioning whether they should be replaced by ethical constraints. One problem is the urgency individuals are compelled into, when making their own choices, by factors like aging and insurance coverage.

Given that there are significant legal protections for everyone in the adoption triad--we can argue about whether there should be more or different, but they exist--I wonder why the application of reproductive technologies don't require similar protections for the potential parents. (And of course, the only people who think that's reasonable want to use the state to impose their version of the right kind of family on everyone.)

Some of these problems would be addressed under a system that treated a certain level of fertility treatment as a healthcare entitlement, not a for-profit enterprise that feeds insurance companies and doctors. Because today, I'm asking my doctor, who stands to benefit from my choosing more treatment, to also be the only party in the transaction who is bound by an ethical code. That seems like a stumbing block to me.

As an aside, I like Bill McKibben's book 'Enough' for addressing these questions from a bioethics perspective.

Heather

Thank you for this post ( and the one to come) While we come from what appear to be totally differnt lifestyles on the surface, you manage to express so many of the things that I believe and am yet, unabla to articulate. Not only that, but you educate me; bringing to light layers of issues that I had not even considered. Currently, we have two bio kids, but my husband and I both remember from an early age imagining that we would raise a family bio and adopted kids( for me that particularly meant a large family :o) ) .
After beginning to read your blog and others by birth parents, i was really question if it was truly the right thing for us to do, considering "primal wound" biasis, racisim..our possiblie inability to cope with any of those things...
However, your wiritng really hepled me to what I like to think of as an epiphany, and a realization that while our adopting is a way off, we can do it if we start preparing our family, our life, and our hearts and minds now.
I am looking forward to more of your incredible insight- for helongin me to shape my own beliefs and possibly share with others trying to understand why we hope to do what we are planning.
God Bless

bek

This is great. I look forward to reading the rest.

I am not sure how I feel about it. I agree with the others that have stated that those who feel not able to (or no desire to) parent a child w/ disabilities or one that isn't the blonde haired blue eyed variety, shouldn't. That doesn't help anyone.

I also really appreciated when you said that the minute you choose to take a stand, someone will come up behind you and say that you should have done it differently too... like all that garbage when a few celebrities recently decided to adopt a child from Africa (Madonna or Angelina) or build a school there (Oprah). People were outraged that they didn't choose to do it here instead. That is what it comes down to though, right? Choice. If my choice to adopt an infant domestically is valid, than so are all the other ones that other people choose to make, right? It is hard to know WHO should decide where that line is as well. The government? Do we self govern?

Can't wait for part two..

P.S. My husband is a tall, blue eyed, blonde haired man that went to not one but TWO Top schools. He gets solicited by mail occasionally to "donate" to sperm banks or IVF labs. I guess that these places use the yearbooks and face books to find out who to send letters to. We have been solicited via both schools (he used different "official" names at the schools so we know that they are coming from both. One even stated that after seeing a picture of our daughter in an alumni magazine (another blue eyed white haired child) that they would pay even more becase he showed he can produce "healthy and beautiful and potentially intelligent" children. We almost died when we saw the letter. All that good sperm "wasted" on a broken uterus..... :-) (our last two children are adopted via domestic and intl adoption and both are black).

Emmie (Better Make It A Double)

Awesome, thought-provoking post. Especially this:
"If we evaluated the ethics of our technological abilities according to community logic, rather than capitalism’s logic, what would our families look like?"
I think there would still be reproductive technology (including IVF), but there would be more tranparency, more debate, more universal standards, and more discussion of how one person or couple's decision affects the community as a whole, including its culture. These discussions would include both adoption and ART. Desperate, hurting infertile couples wouldn't have to go it alone in making decisions about what their options are. To deal with infertility by using technology or pursuing adoption often means exposing oneself to ruthless, high-stakes capitalism. It is also for many, an exercise in estrangement from one's community, where the community you rely on for support is left out because we don't talk really about these things.
So thank you.
Also: For a take on IVF from a different angle (how many embryos get put back), you might want to read this post and its comments: http://allthis.typepad.com/allthis/2006/10/the_ivf_post_i_.html


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