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Lisa

Damn, you are so smart! I'm going to cut, paste and save that paragraph about community.

Since I used donor sperm, I'm a little sensitive to this topic. It was quite bazaar to pick a donor. We did the traits like my partner method. But the advertising and information packets made me very uncomfortable. We thought about asking D's brothers to donate. But we knew one would be too weirded out and the other, who would have been fine, we found out had male factor problems from being in Desert Storm. In the end, it seemed more intimate for us not to have brothers or a third party involved as we didn't have any real candidates. But I think this is a really nice way to go, if you can.

I remember being required to go to genetic counseling because of my own genetic disorders. They wanted us to do IVF with (I can't remember what it is called) the procedure where they genetically test your embryo prior to implantation. I said, "I don't care if I pass down my disorder." And I literally shocked everyone in the room when I said that. It's not that I wanted my kids to inherit my disability. I really rather that they didn't because they would have an easier life that way. But if they did, then it would bring a different kind of value to their lives. My life is worth living and theirs would be as well. I'm not going to seek out and destroy them before they are even given a chance because they might be a bit like me. I like me.

I don't think that genetic specialist ever talked to me again after that. I pretty much rocked his world and his main reason (at least professionally) for living.

Brooklyn Mama

I love this post, and agree with you on all of it. Subsequently, I don't have anything more to add! But I look forward to Part Three.

Christina Shaver

Whoa. Thanks for making me use my brain so late on a Sunday night. Also looking forward to your third installment...

PhoenixRising

"Not because she’s creating lives in a lab, but because she is creating lives outside any particular community framework."

Hmm. And how is that different from using purchased gametes to create an embryo, do you think?

I'm pretty sure it's not different. That said, I don't have a problem with allowing people who want to be parents to make their own choices about buying the gametes that make that possible.

I didn't do it because I couldn't stand the idea for myself, but I don't see how to limit it within any framework of community. My choice to refrain from making a baby using AI was an intensely personal choice, and I don't see how to mandate that anyone else make the same choice for (what I believe to be) the right reasons.

So in part 3, will you be tying the series into Carol Gilligan's work on ethics and gender, for the extra credit points? We're anxiously awaiting here...

Elizabeth

Wow. Wow, wow, wow. I could never express my thoughts so eloquently but I agree with almost 100% of your post and this is the first time I've seen these opinions written publicly. Looking forward to the next installment.

luolin

I know your main point is the community, but I think the illusion of genetic control is an important one as well. Both Ms. Ryan and her critics (or at least some of the journalists writing about her) seem to assume that choosing characteristics in the genetic parents is the same as choosing characteristics in the offspring. This might work for a recessive trait like blue eyes (though I am not sure; I know Emma Jane said it was complicated when she was looking into sperm donors), but intelligence?

My father has a PhD, and so do I, but his other 6 children don't, and his own father was a custodian. And that's not even getting into the idea of screening for intelligence by choosing college-educated donors.

Donore3

I've got spare embryos on ice and have been writing about my seach for a lesbian couple to donate them to. Since you adopted, you might be interested in why I'm actually against embryo donation, even though I'm doing it:
http://embryodonation.blogspot.com/2006/12/why-im-against-embryo-donation.html

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