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Nancy

This dialogue has been interesting to watch. I have seen you with Nat, heard you speak with Nat when we have been on the phone, listened to stories you tell about Nat. I have never felt like you praise her too much or that it could be seen as insincere in any way.

I think putting something in writing sometimes leaves the impression that the message is somehow more rigid or strong than it is intended. What I mean is that saying you praise Nat a lot might strike some as potential overkill but it's all in what is mean by a lot.

Some people only say "I love you" on occasion. Others think you can never say it enough. Who is right? And how can you possibly know anything without seeing the actual people involved?

Sara

Guilty as charged. I wasn't judging you, and in fact thought when I read your original post that it's wonderful that you frequently comment to Nat and others about the fact that Nat is beautiful, smart, and good. Every girl needs a little affirmation from her mama sometimes. Nonetheless, I admit that I was viewing your dilemma from a perspective that doesn't fit with your situation. I have thought a LOT about the issues involved in being a white parent to a child of color, as my husband is dark brown, so whether we become parents by birth or adoption, we'll end up with a child that doesn't look like me, at least racially speaking. Nonetheless, my family's issues are different, as my child is most likely to either be biracial (with all of the complicated issues involved there), or of foreign origin (a foster care adoption isn't possible for us because while I'm American, we're not living in the USA). Also, having a secure man of color in the family (my husband was raised in a country where everybody looks like him) will create a very different family dynamic. In addition, being straight adds yet another different dynamic, as I was remembering that positive comments from men meant a lot more to me while growing up than did positive comments from women in general, and my mother in particular. So, my thoughts, which are based on my own experience, might not have been appropriate for your (and Nat's) situation. Sorry if my post seemed insensitive to your actual situation. For the record, I admire and respect your efforts in trying to deal with the problem of race head on, and realize that there are no easy answers.

elswhere

It is so tricky, isn't it. But what you say sounds really solid to me. There's only so much you (me, any of us) can do to counter the influence of the wider culture, but as parents, our most powerful tool is love and its expression. If you tell Nat over and over that she's beautiful, even if some anxious part of her later also wonders whether you were protesting too much, she'll always have that visceral memory inside, bouying her up.

Yvette

This is an excellent topic. I understand the perspective of those who may have fears about "too much praise." However, I thoroughly reject it for my own daughters.

It is easy to downplay praise when every image that is presented in the societal environment reflects your daughter in a positive light. In that case, it is even easy (perhaps necessary) to "downplay" such praise and direct socialization in your own home.

Such is NOT the case for parents rearing children who are not reflected in this way in society.

The only thing I would stress is that the private, direct socialization must be backed up by advocacy and more public efforts, which the children themselves can see. Why should my daughters believe that their skin and hair is beautiful when their mommy does not speak out against all-White images of female beauty in the wider environment?

The other day as we were watching TV one of my daughters commented "You know Mommy, whenever they show commercials with beautiful ladies in beautiful dresses, they're always White, never brown."

I agreed with her and we talked. But after several more commercial breaks where she audibly pointed this out to me, it occurred that my private reinforcement was not enough. Together we are now working on how to contact some of these businesses to express our hopes that they begin including more diverse advertising...

chanie

thank you for raising these issues in such a thoughtful way.
i think as a mom i struggle with the praising physical beauty issue too, even though i am white and my daughter is white. i want her to think she is beautiful, because i know in a couple years, she probably won't and will only find the bad things about her body or face. but don't want to focus to much on physical that she thinks that is more important to me than her personality.
i can appreciate how race and skin color complicates this even more. i like yvette's suggestions of activism and critical discussion of popular culture.

Erin O'

Today I was teaching at an afterschool program I go to every week. 95% of the kids are AA. Today I was working with the 4-5 year olds, and we were looking at portraits. I brought reproductions of portraits by a variety of artists from different time periods, representing black, white, hispanic and even some Muslim children. I purposely showed only 2 images of white subjects, with many more images of people of color, especially AA children. I don't usually do a demonstration painting, but I wanted to remind them of how to use the watercolor paints properly, and I (now I realize it wasn't a good idea), did a quick self-portrait. I have straight hair and white skin. Guess what all of the little girls wanted to paint? A "self-portrait" with straight hair and white skin. Only one of the girls fits that description. The others are all AA.

One of the girls was upset because she got a bit of color onto her face in the painting. I pointed out that her skin is brown, and that we could fill the face in with brown paint, and it would look more like her. I actually saw the light bulb go on over her head. We spent time talking about what we all look like, the different hues of our skins, that it is ok to use brown paint on the faces of the people in their paintings.

I think part of it was definitely because I modeled a painting for them, which I almost never do -- kids invariable want their pix to look the same as one they've just seen, portrait, landscape, whatever. Especially if their teacher makes it.

But I had just read your post earlier in the day, and I wondered how much of it was about them wanting to be different than they were.

It was only after we talked about how pretty their puffs, twists and braids looked, how you could make different shades of brown, that they started to experiment on their own with their paintings.

It was eye-opening. And I'm glad I read your post when I did. And I will never model another self-portrait again.

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Jennifer (Penguin)

Thanks for another fascinating post. I'm not sure that it's relevant (white woman raising white boys!) but something that I'm really trying to work on with my boys is very specific praise - e.g. not just "you're so clever", but "that was very smart of you to have worked out by yourself that ...."

The more specific the praise, the more the child (or anyone else) believes it and values it.

so I throw that into the mix as another way of trying to make sure that Nat believes some of it when she's a teenager.

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